Question: What do you mean by transformation?
Krishnamurti: Obviously, there must be a radical revolution, he The
world crisis demands it. Our lives demand it. Our everyday incidents, pursuits,
anxieties, demand it. Our problems demand it. There must be a fundamental,
radical revolution, because everything about us has collapsed. Though seemingly
there is order, in fact there is slow decay, destruction: the wave of
destruction is constantly overtaking the wave of life.
So there must be a revolution—but not a revolution based on an idea.
Such a revolution is merely the continuation of the idea, not a radical
transformation. A revolution based on an idea brings bloodshed, disruption,
chaos. Out of chaos you cannot create order; you cannot deliberately bring about
chaos and hope to create order out of that chaos. You are not the God-chosen who
are to create order out of confusion That is such a false way of thinking on the
part of those people who wish to create more and more confusion in order to
bring about order. Because for the moment they have power, they assume they know
all the ways of producing order. Seeing the whole of this catastrophe—the
constant repetition of wars, the ceaseless conflict between classes, between
peoples, the awful economic and social inequality, the inequality of capacity
and gifts, the gulf between those who are extraordinarily happy, unruffled, and
those who are caught in hate, conflict, and misery—seeing all this, there must
be a revolution, there must be complete transformation, must there not?
Is this transformation, is this radical revolution, an ultimate thing or
is it from moment to moment? I know we should like it to be the ultimate
thing, because it is so much easier to think in terms of far away. Ultimately we
shall be transformed, ultimately we shall be happy, ultimately we shall find
truth; in the meantime, let us carry on. Surely such a mind, thinking in terms
of the future, is incapable of acting in the present; therefore such a mind is
not seeking transformation, it is merely avoiding transformation. What do we
mean by transformation?
Transformation is not in the future, can never be in the future. It can
only be now, from moment to moment. So what do we mean by transformation?
Surely it is very simple: seeing the false as the false and the true as the
true. Seeing the truth in the false and seeing the false in that which has been
accepted as the truth. See the false as the false and the true as the true is
transformation, because when you see something very clearly as the truth, that
truth liberates When you see that something is false, that false thing drops
away. When you see that ceremonies are mere vain repetitions, when you see the
truth of it and do not justify it, there is transformation, is there not?,
because another bondage is gone. When you see that class distinction is false,
that it creates conflict, creates misery, division between people-when you see
the truth of it, that very truth liberates. The very perception of that truth is
transformation, is it not? As we are surrounded by so much that is false,
perceiving the falseness from moment to moment is transformation. Truth is not
cumulative. It is from moment to moment. That which is cumulative, accumulated,
is memory, and through memory you can never find truth, for memory is of
time—time being the past, the present and the future. Time, which is
continuity, can never find that which is eternal; eternity is not continuity.
That which endures is not eternal. Eternity is in the moment. Eternity is in the
now. The now is not the reflection of the past nor the continuance of the past
through the present to the future.
A mind which is desirous of a future transformation or looks to
transformation as an ultimate end, can never find truth, for truth is a thing
that must come from moment to moment, must be discovered anew; there can be no
discovery through accumulation. How can you discover the new if you have the
burden of the old? It is only with the cessation of that burden that you
discover the new. To discover the new, the eternal, in the present, from moment
to moment, one needs an extraordinarily alert mind, a mind that is not seeking a
result, a mind that is not becoming. A mind that is becoming can never know the
full bliss of contentment; not the contentment of smug satisfaction; not the
contentment of an achieved result, but the contentment that comes when the mind
sees the truth in what is and the false in what is. The perception of that truth
is from moment to moment; and that perception is delayed through verbalization
of the moment.
Transformation is not an end, a result. Transformation is not a result.
Result implies residue, a cause and an effect. Where there is causation, there
is bound to be effect. The effect is merely the result of your desire to be
transformed. When you desire to be transformed, you are still thinking in terms
of becoming; that which is becoming can never know that which is being. Truth is
being from moment to moment and happiness that continues is not
happiness. Happiness is that state of being which is timeless. That timeless
state can come only when there is a tremendous discontent—not the discontent
that has found a channel through which it escapes but the discontent that has no
outlet, that has no escape, that is no longer seeking fulfilment. Only then, in
that state of supreme discontent, can reality come into being. That reality is
not to be bought, to be sold, to be repeated; it cannot be caught in books. It
has to be found from moment to moment, in the smile, in the tear, under the dead
leaf, in the vagrant thoughts, in the fullness of love.
Love is not different from truth. Love is that state in which the thought
process, as time, has completely ceased. Where love is, there is transformation.
Without love revolution has no meaning, for then revolution is merely
destruction, decay, a greater and greater ever-mounting misery. Where there is
love, there is revolution, because love is transformation from moment to moment.